I am sure expenses will be reimbursed. Fear strikes at the hearts of the men of the NAMB. One can have a missions agency and not be a church. Books. Im a liberal lefty too, and I think its high time to revamp the tax codes so that the loopholes are closed and that all non-profits (religious or no) must abide by the same rules. Sure, theyll get a real piece of work for a pastor now and again, but hes usually removed before the damage can escalate. Surely the pastor should be praying and asking God what He wants the pastor to say to this particular congregation in this particular moment? Yes, if nothing else I wonder how much of a burden these self-acclaimed superman leaders put on the rest of us who cannot seem to do as much as they do. Ministry to believers is creature-centric. Or he saw the amount of resources that McLean Bible Church has and was to sway their donations. All of which probably sounds more dismissive than I mean it to. If Im not mistaken, K. Deyoung is also a competitive masters runner. Including Dallas Megas who delivered the vote in 2016. Whenever I feel ashamed to be a Southern Baptist because of the reputation and antics of these snake oil salesmen, I have to remind myself that they are clearly NOT Southern Baptiststhey have only ridden on the coat tails of the SBC to seize fame and fortune. Exactly. Lost In Space: Gospel Replacement In Progress. GSD [Getting Stuff Done] wrote: Anyone who claims the title of lead pastor or head pastor is usurping Jesus authority in the lives of believers. For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a high standing (vs 13). Good chance David Platt will not write much of those sermons. I dont like Platt. Perhaps it could be in a negative senseIOW, everything this man said to do, do the opposite. everyone who knows the Lord has a calling to the ministry, all of us are high priests, and every calling is of utmost importance. As all were replaced their titles changed with the word pastor not minister. Surgeon was able to do a one-step resection without a colostomy. Last post was meant to be two separate, one responding to Muff, the other to Nick/Bombast/God. It seems perfectly obvious to me that He wants more when it comes to eternity than just hanging around and thinking pleasant thoughts, so to speak. Find a pastor who will do your funeral and not punt it to the third tier pastoral staff. Hi Bridget, Today isnt all that special nor or we so special that we just know more than God. Because healthy community is missional. Oh yeah-thats the guy who shows us how not to be crazy busy-now *pastor* of a lg church and seminary professor. Our collective gathering together has far more impact than the individual can judge from our own vantage point. Mahaney.) Much of the sermon is basic storytelling. Its much better to have the Holy Spirit glory Christ in me, than I trying to be intentional about it. Augustine of Hippo, author of The City of God? not just attend! David Platts mission, whether he realizes it or not, is to make MBC a social justice church. Preaching is fun. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers, Just like the Priests of the old Egyptian gods. The big boys all use research services to do the heavy lifting. Can someone explain to me how you can spend 20-25 hours a week preparing a sermon? We made funerals and weddings church events when they never were in Bible times. Many who say this buy sermon services to write their sermons for them. When The Tron church heft the CofS their website said they were goingto join the International Presbyterian Church. He had an 8 week hiatus in July and August, nice work if you can get it. If I had never joined a church till I had found one that was perfect, I should never have joined one at all; and the moment I did join it, if I had found one, I should have spoiled it, for it would not have been a perfect church after I had become a member of it. In a TWW postEd Stetzer and the Four Fence Posts that Define His Ministry, Stetzerexplained what he didand didnot do as a bi-vocational pastor. There is no excuse for the lack of shepherding, love, and caring that we are seeing in the modern church. @ Arnold Smartarse: And of course to get it embodied, which you can only do with individuals, not in the abstract.-Eugene H. Peterson link. Our forefathers knew that the study of Gods Word and prayer was the foundation for ministry. But a shepherd of people he is not. Yeah, church life wont keep theologians in check. And I have also been enriched by being able to participate in some of the missions work at McLean. He will receive no salary. However, other fans, find Jimmys voice to be his hallmark trait. When he was three my son once told a woman in the checkout line that I once threw him like a football. David Platt (ThM, PhD, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary) is the pastor-teacher of McLean Bible Church, founder of Radical, and a Council member of The Gospel Coalition. Anything bursting in there makes surgery, clean up, and recovery much more extensive. A lot of these groups are, to my mind, strongly analogous to the none/done population. Is it any wonder why those of discerning tastes are leaving the brand of loyalty and switching bakeries? You may think some of my nine jobs are questionable and others of them are controversial. They will be far better off knowing the Son of God. Jesus said 3x, Feed my sheep. They are His sheep. In the parish hall of my church. My point was in response to a completely different statement the idea that we are saved to go on missions. We all need to be fed. tr. Thats all it is. Possibly a merger of IMB and NAMB which would be useful bury several issues *and* create new opportunities. Worship is the response to a revelation of Who God is. How in the world can they ever learn the names of their people. Im all over the continuum insofar as views go. I try to use gender inclusive language, but I dont bend over backwards. We are human beings not human doings. http://www.bpnews.net/49530/harveybattered-churches-sue-for-fema-funds. Of course there are many in between, but I continue to be amazed how many people do not put much thought into what they do and say.. our immediate culture is makin this worse. I seriously have heard the exact same sermon at three churches, with the same title and even the same examples, and all of those pastors boasted about the amount of time they spent writing their sermons. @ Hope: Did anything ever become of this at the IMB? Whats going on? thats totally awesome. Most people happen to believe that a pastor should be more than a podcast on legs. All the best! That has even helped me turn this not quite the usual parishioner into someone that I am truly glad to see every Sunday. This feeding of the flock is via the Word of God and given out with a piece of oneself. What I see happening is horrifying. Please preface it with, As the New Testament CLEARLY shows in XYZ. What I see happening is horrifying. I do it for my housebound parents on Wed. May you be richly blessed. why are we surprised when we attract to that position those who are nothing more than entrepreneurial CEOs, vapid, idiotic motivational speakers, and little kings and God-haters who demand submission? If no one has the guts to challenge this false ninja TULIP gospel change agent, and the one who was stupid enough to bring him on board, then McLean Bible Church will quietly descend into Calvinist authoritarian tyrannical darkness, its members none the wiser. Hmmmis there NO one in the UK and/or Ireland who can speak at the FIEC Leaders Conference that an American has to be imported? A Methodist pediatrician I used to work with when we both worked for the Feds once said that (local SBC mega) was better organized than Reynolds Tobacco. Using the same idea to answer another enigma, why did Mark Dever himself give up the entire 9Marks system in order to protect C.J. But I experienced him as my (now former) pastor and while he may be a great speaker, he is not a good pastor. Mohler does as he pleases, as far as I can tell. They seem to have united around pragmatic Authoritarianism and Complementarianism. . This is Creator-centric. WebDavid Platt is a great example of a man who may have a speech impediment yet the listener is captivated by his genuine passion for the gospel. My church now has quite short sermons, with liturgy. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ5R08xDC6c Our main motivation is Who God is, and that informs us as to how to love one another (because He first loved us). Theyre a kind of corporate lone ranger Christian (as the saying goes), having abandoned assembling together with anyone else locally, albeit trying to find some kind of belonging somewhere. IMHO Peter was doing evangelism, like Billy Graham, for example, and not pastoring. Got a bit lively, but no legal or 501c3 problems. So if it is the means then why are people upset when Platt says that people need to get with it regarding the means? Oh thats right, he doesnt do weddings. Anyway, he was a clear advocate for personal pastors and not video presenters at multi-sites. David Platt has openly talked about the need to recruit and go after 18 to 25 year old students for their ultimate goals and purposes. Second thought is the IMB Presidency is a full-time job which God also called him to and God is not as flakey as David Platt appears to be. In the United States, theres a reason for that, and it has to do with income taxes. (1) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mvDQWOQ2iI, Every Challenge To Calvinism, Is A Heavenly Opportunity, All of heaven shall hear my cry, when Jesus returns, will there be faith upon the earth?, Spy Is Lons final act his final rock drop by event'(tm) to take MBC, its 25,000 people and the whole of the Washington D. C. area for a dark closeted stealthy ride into Calvinisms Dystopian fake gospel? If we hope to reveal the worth of Gods love to others, what has it cost us? The meetings are usually an hour long. I wonder whether you can ever meet with ANY ordained clergy person at MBC. No liberal lefty here, in fact, not really political at all. Churches have nothing to fear from me! i would love to see an accounting illustration, showing how much each tax payer in a pastors neighborhood has to contribute to cover the shortfall of the public services which the pastor enjoys and expects. Usually didnt pay or didnt pay much. Unfortunately, churches have become so institutionalized it is almost impossible for that person to do what God meant for them to do. It is ended, neither by might of appeal (marketing) nor power of delivery systems, but by My Spirit, says the LORD. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. My father lost his position due to lies by officials above the local church and was told to vacate the parsonage with 60 days notice culminating Dec 31. It has been assigned to any imaginable paid position in an institutional church. Platt, unfortunately, was merely a podcast in person. Whenever I feel ashamed to be a Southern Baptist because of the reputation and antics of these snake oil salesmen, I have to remind myself that they are clearly NOT Southern Baptiststhey have only ridden on the coat tails of the SBC to seize fame and fortune. I explain I can't do funerals, visits, phone calls, or meetings. Apparently David Platt did his crying routine and booked (see comment below by Fred Butler) It is extremely troubling to me that after carefully crafting a When asked by Collider if theres ever been a television show hes watched and wished he was a part of, I mean, I dont have a problem with using commentaries and resources to help plan a sermon. This is a predicate. My wife and I are part of McLean Bible Church and we were thrilled that David approached us and volunteered his time to bring us Gods Word. We exist for one another, too. I expect your educated guess is as good as mine, but ISTM you spend 20-25 hours preparing a sermon if youve not much else to do. After all, they could have easily marketed themselves, promoted themselves, and charged money at the gate to hear their Holy Spirit inspired messageswhy didnt they take advantage of people? Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. 4:10). To be fair to Platt, in his final sermon I referenced he actually made a strong plea for Christians to go to different countries not as professional missionaries, but as workers with regular jobs who can spread the Gospel through normal contacts and also assist to strengthen local churches. Well, at least they will try and find you now or at least know your name. I dont know Platt. @ refugee: That said it may be only a contributing reason for the over-use of the pastor title. But then, I do suppose that the super-righteous could limit the crowd to only those who think alike-or like them or something, based on no room in the house. Same here. I called the church to make the funeral arrangements and notify the pastor. And, I dont see church life as being an effective way to keep theologians from getting off-track. She would send me links and all kinds of stuff and say she swears it is all linked together somehow with these guys. My reference to man was meant as human.. one person i talked to went to so far as to say we cant allow this, or else our tax-exempt status would be jeopardized. We believers are all priests, Jesus is our high priest, and we were not supposed to embrace this pagan shamanism nonsense to begin with. Same as most 9M churches they pay lip service to prayer but dont labor in much prayer. His sermon on Acts opened our eyes when he introduced some social justice themes in his sermon that had literally nothing to do with the text. I believe this is the way missions should be viewed and accomplished. The worth of something is predicated upon its cost. It seemed like individuals from same small group would always have something to share while everyone listened. Maybe not. So a proclamation of Who the object of our faith is, gives focus to our faith, and direction to our worship (which includes pastoral care). Quite a change in 20 years. A spiritual birth which transforms someone into a true Christian, a saint, by the activity of the Holy Spirit. See Matthew 3:11; John 3:3-8; 7:39; 14:17; 20:22; Acts 2:38; Romans 8:2-26; 14:17; 1 Corinthians 2:10-12; 3:16; 6:11-19; 12:13; 2 Corinthians 3:3; 17-18; Galatians 3:2-5, 14; 4:6; Ephesians 1:13; 3:16; 4:30; 5:18; Philippians 2:1; 1 Thessalonians 4:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 1:14; Titus 3:5; Hebrews 6:4; 1 Peter 1:2,22; 1 John 3:24; 4:13; Jude 1:20. Anointed proclamation shows that God speaks when all the idols of our culture are deaf and dumb. This is a network of churches Smyth started while preaching in South Africa and is attempting to expand into the USA, but again, it doesnt appear to me that CLC members are getting an honest days work for the salary they are paying Smyth, but the average member doesnt seem overly concerned about that. Check it out on our blog as well as http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com. @ Law Prof: He once preached a sermon on Mothers Day about biblical motherhood, and it was all about stay at home moms. Lift up your voice mightily, O Christian, bearer of Jesus good news; lift it up, do not fear. No worries, Arnold. Coming late to this but yes. He makes a concerted effort to know peoples names. Hes doing well. I was shocked when I saw a Facebook post about MBC being affiliated with the Southern Baptists. However, I do think it represents something about care and compassion of the sheep and knowing them by name. We have been attending MBC for 4 years. He never chided believers to get out there, knock on doors, join me on mission, serve your community, hand out water bottles at marathons, plant a community garden. Thersites wrote: The reason we should learn names is twofold. I appreciate so much the need for discernment and advocating for victims, but I dont see any crimes here, just a lot of fault finding where there really doesnt seem to be any fault. I promote the Salvation Army over the SBC. I would like to say to all of you. He Didnt Love Being a Police Officer. @ Tree: When he recently encountered a young man who stutters at a Keene, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llNnlE6Hbuc. Improvements in administration were sorely needed and we have become better stewards. It seems perfectly obvious to me that He wants more when it comes to eternity than just hanging around and thinking pleasant thoughts, so to speak. ___ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nIBOG8BRcdY. Muff, yes, yeppers, yessiree everything has to be done according to the Bible. One of many reasons I am not a fan of institutionalied/bureaucracy-ized Churchianity. A scripted life is not freedom. @ Bridget: But some people now say that if only we would forget church buildings and just meet in individual homes then that (and apparently only that) would be biblical. To be fair, I am not sure how accurate this information is but it is worth checking out. Third thought is what is wrong with Trustees in the SBC that they cannot act? Im aware that the owner of a local restaurant does something similar. To be fair most denominations have never heard of him as the lawsuit has not received any media coverage over here. My advice to everyone is to stop giving them money. Platt, unfortunately, was merely a podcast in person. A church in my area was hosting some type of Coffee House service very late on Friday nights. 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